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Published on July 21, 2004 By mrbiotech In WinCustomize Talk
I'm really amazed at the positive response to the Blogging poll. I stand adamantly in the "No, this sort of thing should be in the message boards, not the home page" and feel like my comments in FrogBoy's blogs may have precipitated the formation of the poll.

Here's my justification: WC is a community-based site, not the personal opinion site of any one person. While it's true that the message boards and commenting systems permit the average community member or theme user to post their opinions, the same is not true of the front page of WinCustomize, reserved for news items reflecting the community (new software, contests, updates, etc). The liberties taken by Brad for his "articles," however informative, defy precedent established by the majority of theme community websites (DeviantArt, customize.org, litestep.net, skinz.org), and are akin to Steve Jobs making commentaries on Apple's downloads page, or Bill Gates editorials on the front of microsoft.com.

I'm not saying that his blogging is bad: the articles are enjoyable and some of the information valuable. The place is incorrect, however, as the remainder of the community is not permitted this luxury, relagating OUR subjective comments to the forums or on specific submitted works. Brad, I'm just politely asking that the venue of the blogs be changed, in fairness to this great community you've helped found, and out of respect for a site that has always maintained a family-type atmosphere. Elitism isn't a pleasant hallmark, but a good example speaks volumes.


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on Jul 23, 2004
Randy not logged into MSN?


I wish Koasati would get ahold of me. Haven't talked in ages.
on Jul 23, 2004
oh, September we will be in SanFran..

I still have to get the exact date but we will be there that month, my sons ship will be in port also so he should be around for a bit also.

I'll let you and Davidk know the dates arrive and depart asap.

Might be in Texas before then though.



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on Jul 23, 2004
Well I hope you have fun in SF but I can't get down there anytime soon my friend..

We now return you to the topic at hand!!
on Jul 23, 2004
oh well, yeah back to topic...

and off with me.



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on Jul 23, 2004
Take a look at who posts all the news pretty much. Yet there is a "submit news" link at the top.


I never noticed that to be honest... Also I was wondering will the new site have a feature similar to deviantart's DeviantWatch?
on Jul 23, 2004
I thought I was being obvious- apologies if it's too much for you. I'm also reluctant to be purely direct because I've known plenty of friends that "used" to be WC'ers. Direct translation so you'll understand: They were either banned or felt so unwelcome that they voluntarily left. In making a case against the admins here, fear certainly exists that the same could happen to me. The precedent already exists.


Whoa, what can one say besides why don't you take a self-righteous dive, head first off your moral high horse.

*sorry for double post, catching up on reading this thread as I made em.
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on Jul 23, 2004
IPlural, I honestly feel as though your posts here were intended to be insulting, so my attempt was to be as explicit as possible. I've also attempted to maintain a fairly objective stance despite feeling strongly on the issue, whereas others, yourself included, have made jabs, cracks and comments that have consequently been edited. This is not an equitable solution.

If I had to blanket you into a group, it would be the "Adversarial group," of which MindlessPuppet and Jafo would probably also admit to. Whether you intend to or not, your excessive candor has offended many and probably driven a healthy contingent of WC users into thinking that they're point of views were less than acceptable.

With regards to the overdog worshippers comment- I also felt when the comment was made, as now, that there are people that will butt-kiss. The ratings system here is another evidence of that behavior. You were not labelled in this category, although it appears you feel you were, and the reference was not levelled at those whose views directly opposed my own. It was a statement that whenever there are people installed in positions that obtain popularity, people will bow to that person's opinion simply because of the position. That's why I believe it's unfair to post self-proclaimed blogs on the front page of the site, because FrogBoy's opinions, acknowledged or not, carries great weight in the community, and must therefore be excercised with great caution. To "the great un-washed" any bias presented by a person in his position could have potential to sway community opinion. I think those that have posted here are inherently a cut above the rest in their abilities to formulate and express individual opinions, for which you are to be commended. It's the common, everyday kid that may not that I worry about.

This is the crux of my argument, and it's clear that nobody else echoes these sentiments. I was intending to initiate some conversation on the topic and instead introduced a great deal of contention, and created an avenue to let adversarial individuals say some inappropriate things, of which I too am guilty, for which I apologize.
on Jul 23, 2004
No need to apologize. I understand your feeling about the demigod status here and the "Bradites". Whether or not such a situation actually exists is plausible. But, this is just a website. Just a customization website in fact. And it is owned by Brad, I guess. So, I guess he can do with it how he likes. If we don't like it, we can leave. And, if enough of us leave, maybe someone will get a clue. If we don't like the moral stance presented to our children, then I wouldn't let my children come here.

As far as the content of the news "Blog", I don't have a problem with it. It's Brads play yard. This is obviously a "Pro" Windows Site, and "Anti" Mac Site, and I don't have a problem with that either. I mean, why would you come here if you are a Mac User?

I understand the "Anti" Style XP info and I find it very interesting.

There is a lot of terrible stuff going on all over the internet and all over the world. Brads little rants are sometimes quite informative, and if I disagree with him, I'll let him know and so should you. If the Brad Followers(Bradites) jump on you, then beat them back with a rubber hose. And, lets try to have a little fun. Life is too serious. We all gotta die someday anyway.
on Jul 23, 2004
ChasUGC....language, please....
on Jul 23, 2004
If I had to blanket you into a group, it would be the "Adversarial group," of which MindlessPuppet and Jafo would probably also admit to.


Heh, clearly you missed the thread about the previous poll 'should wincustomize support premium suites' (or something to that extent), in which it was basically me butting-heads with everyone. It's not a matter of being in group or whatnot, sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. As towards initiating conversation, well this is about as civil as forum coversations get. It's in their nature to seem hostile.
on Jul 23, 2004

If I had to blanket you into a group, it would be the "Adversarial group," of which MindlessPuppet and Jafo would probably also admit to

Yes, I'd admit that IPlural would be in that group....

If you mean that I would be in it....no....I'm in the 'Bradite' group...haven't you heard?  I don't have a brain or my own opinion...[you can call me 'Parrot'].

In reality I'm in the 'Pro Wincustomize.com and will do all I can to help maintain its success, prominence and popularity' group.....

on Jul 23, 2004

Regarding a quasi-deviantWatch type feature, we are going to have a feature that allows users to subscribe to a given user's mini-site.  So when they do something, you'll be notified of it.

But remember, deviantART is a very different type of site.  We're not looking to become an art site or something.  We're a customization site.  But we do want to have a lot more interactivity than we currently have.

We've been building up technology for the past year and a hafl on sites like JoeUser.com in preparation for doing the next generation WC.

on Jul 23, 2004
ChasUGC....language, please....


Language? I didn't recognize any curse words. A little critical? Slightly, sometimes, but a mind is a terrible thing not to speak.

Being a Bradite, isn't neccesarily a bad thing either. I think we're all partly Gate-ites.(Chas places his foot deeper in his mouth)
on Jul 23, 2004
So when they do something, you'll be notified of it.


Hehe, that's actually all I was refering to.
on Jul 23, 2004
Chas...I removed the post.....using asterisks to censor a word, particularly in such an obvious phrase isn't sufficient....
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