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Published on July 21, 2004 By mrbiotech In WinCustomize Talk
I'm really amazed at the positive response to the Blogging poll. I stand adamantly in the "No, this sort of thing should be in the message boards, not the home page" and feel like my comments in FrogBoy's blogs may have precipitated the formation of the poll.

Here's my justification: WC is a community-based site, not the personal opinion site of any one person. While it's true that the message boards and commenting systems permit the average community member or theme user to post their opinions, the same is not true of the front page of WinCustomize, reserved for news items reflecting the community (new software, contests, updates, etc). The liberties taken by Brad for his "articles," however informative, defy precedent established by the majority of theme community websites (DeviantArt, customize.org, litestep.net, skinz.org), and are akin to Steve Jobs making commentaries on Apple's downloads page, or Bill Gates editorials on the front of microsoft.com.

I'm not saying that his blogging is bad: the articles are enjoyable and some of the information valuable. The place is incorrect, however, as the remainder of the community is not permitted this luxury, relagating OUR subjective comments to the forums or on specific submitted works. Brad, I'm just politely asking that the venue of the blogs be changed, in fairness to this great community you've helped found, and out of respect for a site that has always maintained a family-type atmosphere. Elitism isn't a pleasant hallmark, but a good example speaks volumes.


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on Jul 22, 2004
btw: I used to have to explain to my son when he would get to going on about "It's not fair"

But then again he was 5 - 12 years old at those times he would digress from the reality of things.




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on Jul 22, 2004
The squeaky wheel gets the hammer...

It does appear that many "direct" speakers take the brunt of the overdog worshippers (remember JamMeister33?).

Speaking of "overdog worshippers," remember that great blog Brad wrote about a year ago (in relation to TGTSoft's StyleXP vs. WindoBlinds)? Curious how the tables have turned.

Jafo- the nomination process described on this site explicitly details that the contributions of the promoted individual are community-wide, larger than just this website, but it's quite evident that nobody is monitoring external sites or activity for said contributions, as all the promotees are people I only see regularly at WC. That is elitism, or the neglect of the letter of the law. There are plenty of active themers contributing to the bbLean, xoblite, GeoShell and Aston communities that are not promoted here because they're not as active here as at DevArt, LiteStep.net, lotsoskins, skinz.org, or astonshell.com. This means that the contributions of those promoted are essentially, and solely, at Wincustomize.com. I'm not intending the word elitism to be an insult, it's an apt description: only people from the WinCustomize pool are contenders.

Essencay, it's hard to avoid what's on the main-page of the web-site constantly. These editorials (Frogboy has titled them Blogs himself) are pretty much posted in entirety directly at www.wincustomize.com, the gateway for other functions here, meaning the only way to bypass them entirely is to not visit.

It's painfully obvious that I'm the only one fighting this battle, and although I feel very strongly about this issue, it's clear that my opinion is not shared, and is thus irrelevant to WC and frogboy. As far as lending a read, thanks, but no thanks.
on Jul 22, 2004

the only way to bypass them entirely is to not visit.

Oh come now.....that is a little extreme.  my limited intelligence and naivete would simply have me not read the item as I have that choice.

I don't read EVERY thread here, either....but mainly just the potentially 'problem' ones that may need a little control exercised.

As for 'fighting this battle'......I think some neither require nor deserve the effort....

on Jul 22, 2004
I go to the front page on WinC about twice a week. Maybe. I go there for two main reasons: I'm on a different computer than usual and have to log in (in which case, I'm there for about 10 seconds), or else, I go there SPECIFICLY to read the news items and, even more specificly, to see if Brads got any new editorials.
on Jul 22, 2004
There are plenty of active themers contributing to the bbLean, xoblite, GeoShell and Aston communities that are not promoted here because they're not as active here as at DevArt, LiteStep.net, lotsoskins, skinz.org, or astonshell.com. This means that the contributions of those promoted are essentially, and solely, at Wincustomize.com.


Go figure. WinCustomize isn't meant to be the ALL encompassing website for the entire modding community. And they shouldn't promote for things off WinC that'd just be silly. You don't see DeviantArt daily featuring items that aren't on their site. There are plenty of modding sites that are just plain bad because they try to cover too much IE skinbase.
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on Jul 22, 2004
I see it just like essencay does and it's good to know that someone is behind the curtain. If you are not interested in reading it then don't read it.
on Jul 22, 2004

Just one point: Take a look at who posts all the news pretty much.  Yet there is a "submit news" link at the top.  If there was more news that was relevant to the site, there'd be less compelling reason to put editorials up there.

1) I think people like editorials in general.

2) I think many people besides myself have noted how stale the news pages on skin sites, especially WC, have become.  Product releases get pretty dull after awhile and I'm often in the absurd position of having to write up news items on "competing" products because they don't bother to make news items here (or elsewhere for that matter).

3) I don't like hidden agendas.  That is, I coudl have posted various links to news items on other sites about the Dashboard thing or whatever but I think that would be unethical to ively choose what to cover.  By blogging it, my own biases are available for someone to see and take into account when forming an opinion.  Selective news items, on the other hand I think are sneaky.

but like someone else said, ultimately, you don't have to read them.

And in WinCustomize 2K5, coming this Fall, this site will be VERY VERY different from what it is today. Many users will be able to write their own articles, tutorials, etc. and have them syndicated onto many sites.

on Jul 22, 2004

BTW, another feature in WC2K5 will be sub-domains:

Skins.wincustomize.com

Articles.wincustomize.com

Tutorials.wincustomize.com

etc.  So peolple will be able to jump to the chase.  Like I said, what you see here today is nothing compared to W2K5. I can't even compare it to another site because it's just so different.

on Jul 22, 2004
WC2K5


What a mouthful! We'll have to think of some way to say it. "Wicky-too-kay-five"
on Jul 22, 2004
What a mouthful!

DO you always move your lips as you type?



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on Jul 22, 2004
on Jul 22, 2004
"Yeah, dont you?"
on Jul 22, 2004
Frogboy: Change is dangerous. WC works FINE the way it is. Why are you always wanting to change things? SDC is a good example. I'm pretty sure I will not like the new WC but I will still be here because this is home. The more simple WC is the better. (IMHO)
on Jul 22, 2004

One must adopt or become obsolete.  That's why we have to keep improving our software.  We improve what we do and see what bad parts result and fix it.

The new SDC is a prime exmpal,e we're listening to the suggestions and implementing them.

on Jul 22, 2004
Well I meant no offense. Only time can tell you and your company what's best. I'll adapt I guess.
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