The squeaky wheel gets the hammer... It does appear that many "direct" speakers take the brunt of the over dog worshipers.

Squeaky Wheel, Over dog Worshipers, Elitists, blah blah blah...

You're holding a point like a B4 lead on Vellum laying on a table top in hung over hand.

Cut to the chase and just say what it is you feel needs be said in the way you feel its needs to be said.

In other words, quit putting a spin on your thoughts and say it out right.

It's his site....he can do whatever he wants.

Change is dangerous.

A fully functional site setup as close to an client/Server enviornment will probably be more effective and also open many more paths of possibilities for the members and overall growth of the site. Functionality being one of the main things, but there would be many other possibilities also which would give the individual a higher ROI for a subscription in the end.

DevianArt for example does a pretty nice job of it, though I can see where some things added to it would be nice. That or they are already there and I have not spent enough time logged in to find them yet.

I can't wait to see it personally

Change.... keeps life interesting!


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IPlural taps foot in time to David Bowie "Changes" while browsing

It's his site....he can do whatever he wants

MindlessPuppet- The quote WC's policy: "WinCustomize is not the skinning community, helping other websites in the skinning community counts as well..." with regards to promotions. This is completely neglected.

Iplural- I thought I was being obvious- apologies if it's too much for you. I'm also reluctant to be purely direct because I've known plenty of friends that "used" to be WC'ers. Direct translation so you'll understand: They were either banned or felt so unwelcome that they voluntarily left. In making a case against the admins here, fear certainly exists that the same could happen to me. The precedent already exists.

Frogboy- the explanation is appreciated, and the proposed changes for the next release of WC seem well-conceived and fair. Perhaps it will be the means of better segregation of news and opinion.

"WinCustomize is not the skinning community, helping other websites in the skinning community counts as well..." with regards to promotions. This is completely neglected.

If this were neglected, I can name 2 people that would not be Wizops today............................. I'm one of them.   

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lite Step and Next Start are not Stardock Programs, are they? I don't even know why they are listed in the programs library. I do understand programs that are freeware such as sysmetrix. Such programs which help to promote the customization and usability of OD or WB.But, why would Stardock want to advertise for a competitor?

So the question then becomes, why would a competitor get promotion consideration at Stardock, or even at WC? Unless of course Brad has a girlfriend working for NS or LS.

Isn't this a thread about someone who isn't getting promoted for making LS or NS skins? I personally don't know why this individual isn't making windowblind skins. Some of his creations are quite extradordinary. But, isn't this really what this thread is about?

Chas...Litestep isn't a 'competitor' as such...but more a significant co-habitant with OD/WB, Winamp and other 'pioneering' proggies in our skinning history.

A good many skinners are also shell themers for such critters as Hoverdesk, Litestep, etc....

Koasati- that's encouraging to know.

Chas- Didn't mean for it to take that tangent. Interesting study in stream of consciousness, though: Elitism by front-page opinions -> Jafo: Certain user statuses can post news. -> MrB: User promotions subjective -> Jafo: No -> MrB: Yes, because it appeared that only WinCustomize contributors were promoted, contrary to policy.

Your question introduces an interesting nuance, however. Is WinCustomize a Theming community site, or is it solely a StarDock gateway? Although obviously funded by StarDock, I initially believed it was more of a general theming community. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Jafo- Thanks for your assessment. The crass, sarcastic belittlement is always welcome, old friend

Iplural- I thought I was being obvious- apologies if it's too much for you. I'm also reluctant to be purely direct because I've known plenty of friends that "used" to be WC'ers. Direct translation so you'll understand: They were either banned or felt so unwelcome that they voluntarily left. In making a case against the admins here, fear certainly exists that the same could happen to me. The precedent already exists.

pretentious ain't you...

The precedence you speak of is probably seen through a lopsided perspective. Meaning there is probably more history than you have been informed of, or you are willing to admit.

Banishment is not something that is going to happen unless there has been some thing which is seen as a serious threat, continuous personal attacks, cyber stalking, email flooding with hate filled threats and personal attacks and so on.

I would bet that if you really have a hang up about it and can tell an admin of the specifics in which half a reality is being based. They will be more than willing to fill in the rest so a complete picture can be used to form a valid opinion/position.

There is a difference between our position on not being purely direct.

You fear being banned.

I am doing it out of respect for the site and members (including you), the admins, wizops,moderators and Brad. I do not worship them, anyone or anything, but I do have respect for them so will not cross the line.

Most of this is not as hard to understand as you make it really.

1. There was a poll held and there was a count which reflected the larger number of members do in fact like the Blog style News which Brad has added.

If you do not like it do not read it, simple as that.

If you wish to add News Items, do so, it's an option you are given as a member. Hell, the more members who do add news items the more active they are being in positively partaking in the site and offering to others a new means of information gathering. Hence an advancement in user level partly by what they add to the site and community at large. Yes the community, do you think that only WinCustomize members are the only skinners and such whom happen to visit here?

2. The Skinning Community is not just WinCustomize but at the same time when someone shows up who is an active productive part of the Community as a whole then they will have some kind of known persona in the Community. At that point I would think that they would advance as seen fit while starting at a higher than normal level once an admin knows of their being a member. But if you or they expect the admins to bounce all over the web checking up on non-members active participation in the Community I think you and they would be a bit unrealistic, you know this don't you?

As a matter of fact, until such time as they make it known they are a member of this site there is not anyway to even raise their user level.

But you know that, don't you.

3. Why is it if someone happens to see things from an opposing perspective which happens to be that of those in charge of the Logistical Operations of this site on a given topic you feel the need to label them an Over Dog Worshiper?

Why do you have the need to box and label others while attempting to make your point. Speak to them and they will speak with you, speak at them and they will probably ignore you, speak down to them you speak to yourself every time.





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Advancement:
take an active part in the Help Section, Skinning Section or Main Section of the message board and help others.

View submissions to the libraries and leave productive comments "This is shit, this sucks, a kid with a crayon can do better" is not productive.

Add to the News section of the home page with interesting subject matter, Tech News, Hardware, Software, Skinning News and so on.



Quickest way to be de-voiced on message board.

constant personal attacks, ignoring warnings by the admins, wizops, moderators, cyber-stalking, spamming, discussing Pirate Sites, Software and ways to Pirate Software. ( you would find it funny how many people come to the message board and talk about how they run pirated Stardock software or request info on where or how to pirate the software over the period of a year )

Banishment.

same as above but with various things added to it creating a combination of issues.

Randy not logged into MSN?